This is a real chat, where the names have been changed. Important is what it is said, not who said it.
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Devotee2: yes, that is the dream of some: powerful religion with no opponents, rajo guna
Devotee1: yes your right…mode of passion means “I should be running the show”
Devotee2: “for Krishna” of course
Devotee1: and taking measures to debunk anything that gets in the way of that
Devotee2: dangerous
it is called something like “I am the hammer of God”
and I will hammer my way
lol
Devotee1: the thing is that they talk about SP as being the only guru, but they take that position themselves as the so-called siksa guru
so in effect they are taking their own disicples in the name of SP
Devotee2: i see them as the other side of the same coin, the ISKCON fanatics
the question I posed is…. who entitles you to be ritvik guru?
as opposed to other being gurus?
if the answer is Srila Prabhudad, then the same is for everyone
Devotee1: which means anyone can become ritvik
Devotee2: sure
Devotee1: self appointed like they have done
ridiculous
Devotee2: on the other hand i do not know who is doing more damage
them or the rajo-guna leaders
within ISKCON
Devotee1: I think it comes back to following the basics properly
Devotee2: the qualification of a leader is that he tells to himself 100 times a day: i am a servant
Devotee1: like proper sadhana, not just going through the motions
Devotee2: but nowadays is the opposite, “I must be special…. mantra
Devotee1: the devotees in any position have a responsibility to seriously follow sadhana and not just mechanically
otherwise it’s Raja and Tama guna prevailing
Devotee1: it’s tricky because until Sattva there is the process of elevation through the other modes
in the meantime what can be done?
there needs to be qualified Brahmans to educate the leaders in quality sadhana
but in the end it’s up to the individual whether they take it seriously or not
Devotee2: brahmanas are seen as beggars and unsuccesful by the business devotee community, the ones that have the money and the power
very sad
Devotee1: beggars?
ridiculous
Devotee2: like Kushakrata
he was always put down
until he died— then glorification
and getting his success on the wallet
he was always criticized as excentric
cause he was totally absorbed in translating
no help
only criticism
after he dies
you can see how he was glorified by the same that scorned him
for a rajo guna devotee, you are succesful if you have money, business success
so brahmana comes into the losers categorie
if you are not interested in money you must be nuts. lol
Devotee1: this influence of Kali is serious
he really penetrated ISKCON in a big way
Devotee2: and leaders give in because they are also in rajo guna
if the leader is brahmana he will not consider the money a person has
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